Talk:Monsters

Move all strategy out etc
I suggest we move all the strategy and behaviour stuff out of this article and into the separate monster articles, this article could just be a list of monster ordered by monster type (ie: Undead, Goblins, Trolls, Orcs, Dwarves, Daemons, Other, etc). That would make this article look a lot cleaner and get rid of unnecessary tables that are big and clunky as well as making the individual monster articles have more content than just a line or two. Also the element icons are WAY too big which doesnt help the tables looking neat and tidy. Revoran 09:00, 4 February 2011 (PST)


 * True, it would look better if we moved all strategy and how they look like etc to their own pages while this is just an overview. Cryder 07:25, 5 February 2011 (PST)


 * The strategy column should indeed be moved out into their own monster pages. The behavior column can probably stay for additional descriptions of the monster. Xinhuan 13:18, 6 February 2011 (PST)


 * I created a test version of what the page would look like on this page: User:Revoran/testmonster. Feel free to edit it etc including adding the behavior column back in, although be aware that makes the table much larger than just a single line per monster. Revoran 20:28, 21 April 2011 (PDT)

Breaking free from holds
It is also possible to free from goblin's grab by using Shift + RMB with no elements in cast bar - that creates a wave of air that additionally knocks back everyone around you. --LittleDaimon 13:09, 28 January 2011 (PST)

I forgot about that. I think all non-shield area casts free you from holds, too. --Xenolith 13:15, 28 January 2011 (PST)

And Shield + Stone or Ice on self probably does, think I used it once. --LittleDaimon 13:31, 28 January 2011 (PST)

Complete Monster List
This is a raw dump of all the monsters in the game, including NPCs.

Beastman Brute Beastman Brute Earth Beastman Brute Fire Beastman Chieftain Beastman Raider Beastman Raider Lightning Beastman Raider Water Beastman Torcher Beholder Benign Beholder Malign Bird Cliff Boss Cult Cold Boss Cult Fire Boss Cult Leader Boss Cult Lightning Boss Cult Nature Boss Machine Warlock Boss Vlad Swamp Boss Warlord Citizen Female00 Citizen Female01 Citizen Female02 Citizen Female03 Citizen Female04 Citizen Female05 Citizen Male00 Citizen Male01 Citizen Male02 Citizen Male03 Citizen Male04 Citizen Male05 Daemon Greater Daemon Lesser Daemon Lord Death Druid Dwarf Captain Dwarf Captain Noshield Dwarf Mage Dwarf Smith Dwarf Warrior Dwarf Warrior Noshield Elemental Elemental Arcane Elemental Cold Elemental Fire Elemental Life Elemental Lightning Elemental Poison Elemental Steam Elemental Water Firedrake Ghost Ghoul Ghoul Flamer Goblin Bomber Goblin Commando Goblin Commando Bush Goblin Miner Goblin Pirate Goblin Ranger Goblin Rogue Goblin Rogue Archer Goblin Shaman Goblin Warlock Goblin Warrior Goblin Warrior Archer Goblin Warrior Captain Goblin Warrior Captain Noshield Goblin Warrior Noshield GRIMLOL Horse Imp King Luggage Item Luggage Magick Mcleod MountainKing Murray Necromancer Orc Berserk Orc Captain Orc Captain Noarmour Orc Captain Noshield Orc Regular Orc Warrior Orc Warrior Noarmour Orc Warrior Noshield Scholar Scholar Baelyg Scholar Bassist Scholar Drummer Scholar Flutist Scholar Lutist Scholar Old Scholar Old Sitting Scholar Party Scholar Reading Scholar Sitting Skeleton Archer Skeleton Darksoul Arcane Skeleton Darksoul Arcane Mug Skeleton Darksoul Frost Skeleton Darksoul Lightning Skeleton Darksoul Poison Skeleton Noob Skeleton Swordsman Skeleton Wight Soldier Archer Soldier Captain Soldier Flute Soldier Sitting Soldier Skifree Soldier Spearman Soldier Swordsman Spider Baby Spider Forest Spider Poison Swampfrog Swampthing Targetdoll Tom Treespirit Troll Forest Troll Forest Unarmed Troll Snow Troll Spirit Troll Stone Troll Stone Unarmed Troll War Troll War Arbalest Villager Female00 Broom Villager Female01 Sickle Villager Female02 Pitchfork Villager Female03 Unarmed Villager Female03 Unarmed Quest Villager Male00 Pitchfork Villager Male01 Scythe Villager Male02 Pitchfork Villager Male03 Fishing Villager Male04 Broom Villager Male05 Pitchfork Villager Male06 Axe Villager Male07 Hammer Villager Male08 Unarmed Vlad Vlad Future Warlock Warlock Ice Wizard Wizard Hat Zombie

If this list is the primary source, should references to the Malignant Beholder be changed to Malign Beholder?

That list is not the primary source, the language files are, the list here is of the filenames which in several places is different from the actual monster name--Ket 08:08, 6 February 2011 (PST)

Screenshots
We should probably try to aim for a few screenshots; they say a picture is worth a thousand words, after all. I'll try to help when I'm able, but I'm pretty limited right now. Arrow = Talk = Sandbox 19:47, 30 January 2011 (PST)


 * I could help making some screenshots, should screenshots be taken where you encounter them in the campaign or would it be fine using modified challenge spawns to get them all? Ket 06:13, 31 January 2011 (PST)


 * I'd just take sceenshots of the monsters themselves, and then we can put in text where it's located. That's how most guides do their bestiaries, if I recall correctly. --Arrow = Talk = Sandbox 14:48, 31 January 2011 (PST)


 * I've made some screenshots. I hope you dont mind. --StephenSwat 04:25, 1 February 2011 (PST)


 * Hey, I'm just another editor. Go ahead and put 'em up. --Arrow = Talk = Sandbox 05:51, 1 February 2011 (PST)


 * I've added Location and Drop columns. The description column replaced by screenshots instead of the text will be good. Xinhuan 05:33, 6 February 2011 (PST)


 * How large should the pictures be? Like this? foresttrollnormal.png Cryder 05:53, 6 February 2011 (PST)


 * Looks good, going to take some screenshots of the rest of the monsters using modified challenge files now --Ket 06:14, 6 February 2011 (PST)


 * I'll add all the images that are here to the monsters page. Cryder 06:39, 6 February 2011 (PST)


 * Done :) Cryder 07:07, 6 February 2011 (PST)


 * I think it might be better to take screenshots in their natural (adventure mode) environment so the terrain backgrounds and lighting match what players expect to find them in. Also the Giant Spider one is wrong. Xinhuan 08:19, 6 February 2011 (PST)

Single large table or individual pages?
We now have a lot of guys listed under the Enemies category. The question is, should we split enemies up into multiple sub-pages, or should we keep 'em here? I don't know how many parameters are known for monsters (speed, health, damage) but from what I'm seeing in all the stub pages, there doesn't seem to be a big need for individual pages. Our readers shouldn't have to look through ten pages to find the enemy that's in front of them. --Arrow = Talk = Sandbox 09:21, 1 February 2011 (PST)


 * Perhaps we could split the table up by Chapter and then provide anchors. The first appearance of a monster would set its placement.  Xaxor 15:05 7 February 2011 (EST)


 * We've got some more parameters now, but it's still not perfect. We have enough information probably for individual pages, but not enough for them to come out of the Stub category. --> Coccan.gif Arrow  (Talk) -- Sandbox 12:10, 7 February 2011 (PST)
 * Made the Goblin page as a start for merged individual pages, other pages could be: Troll, Orc, Undead, Human, Dwarf, Daemon and Misc/Miscellaneous for species that got less than 3 types --Ket 10:02, 8 February 2011 (PST)

Hitpoints
Might be useful if we can add a column for hitpoints of each monster. Think if Challenge Mode waves are edited to only have 1 monster each, determining their hp would be easier?

For a start:
 * Imp 300 hp
 * Beholder 2400, half damage from physical
 * Goblin Rogue 700
 * Sapient Pearwood Luggage‎ 500

We might end up with more columns too, such as resistances and weaknesses, and then remove the Strategy column (move strategy to their individual pages). Xinhuan 09:17, 6 February 2011 (PST)

There is a tool on the steam forums that is able to open the character files to see the base stats of each creature: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1739424 --Ket 09:45, 6 February 2011 (PST)

It would seem then that a lot of those statistics shown to us by the tool can be placed on the individual monster pages. Perhaps the Monster Template can be updated. Xinhuan 10:44, 6 February 2011 (PST)

Added the hitpoints column. The Goblin Shaman, Druid and Disciple hitpoints couldn't be obtained using the utility as it errors on opening the relevant file. Will post on the thread to author. The hitpoints of most of the bosses that cannot be obtained appear to be non-moving bosses, and are probably destructible structures or special units instead. Xinhuan 13:18, 6 February 2011 (PST)

Daemons
I swear I've seen the medium daemon split into three small daemons if it's at low HP. I'm not imagining it, am I? Xaxor 15:02 7 February 2011 (EST)

Pretty sure it does, the daemon lord splits into 3 daemons, and the daemon splits into 3 daemonlings, but only if they are not overkilled--Ket 12:52, 7 February 2011 (PST)

Fire Wall
You completely forget the Fire Wall to Kill Trolls, Yetis, Goblins very easy. Use Shield, Stone and Fire and then rightclick on the ground.This also works on the walking trees very well. --92.78.139.164 09:11, 14 July 2011 (PDT)