Talk:Elements

Sub-Elements
I don't think "sub" is the proper way to describe Steam and Ice. Assuming a choice between sub and super, they should be called Super-Elements since they are formed by combining pre-existing elements. However, that is also a problematic designation since it might imply a superiority -- given the other usage of the word "super". I recommend calling them "Derived Elements" since they are derived from combining other elements. LagMasterSam 04:00, 1 February 2011 (PST)


 * Maybe, but "sub-elements" seem to have stuck. "Sub-element" carries enough meaning and is easier to remember than "derived element". --Arrow = Talk = Sandbox 09:12, 1 February 2011 (PST)


 * The meaning carried by the "sub" prefix doesn't fit with what is going on though. For example, subatomic particles are called such because they are the constituents of other particles. Steam and Ice are not constituents of other elements, instead, the relationship is the other way around, with other elements being the constituents of Steam and Ice. That's why I said that it would actually be more proper to call them super-elements. LagMasterSam 19:27, 1 February 2011 (PST)


 * I think we should use the Derived Elements term. --Tiozinho 22:09, 1 February 2011 (PST)

Element Interactivity
Do the sprays and lightning actually have the different precedence indicated by the image? I know shield, beams, and projectiles have a certain order of precedence that significantly influences the final spell result, but the sprays and lightning don't seem to be any different from each other regarding how they influence the final spell result. LagMasterSam 02:11, 1 February 2011 (PST)


 * Lightning isn't really a spray, it's far more short ranged and shoots large tendrils instead of a continuous spray. --Arrow = Talk = Sandbox 09:12, 1 February 2011 (PST)


 * True. What I'm talking about, though, is the difference in precedence between Lightning, Steam, and the Sprays. Is there a particular reason for listing them in that order? Also, shouldn't Steam be listed with the other sprays? LagMasterSam 19:27, 1 February 2011 (PST)


 * Steam+Lightning produces a spray, while Lightning+Other Sprays produces a lightning effect. Also, I thought I'd note that while Earth does have precedence over Ice when Force cast, other cast types seem to just stack their effects (Earth+Ice weapon cast will not make an Icy Fissure, but rather an Earth Fissure AND an Vertical Ice Blade).  However, this could just be some weirdness because they're usually both projectiles.  There's strangeness when casting, say Fire + Steam because they're both sprays.  Shield + Fire + Steam produces something that looks identical to a fire shield, but I've not done testing to see exactly how it differs.  Just odd. --Blkbsstt 04:34, 4 February 2011 (PST)

During my researches i have came up with somewhat a bit different. I wrote a guide on magic system, that seems pretty much accurate, but i did it in another language. If anybody is interested i can translate it and adapt to wiki standarts. - Sinael.

Table
I took the liberty to change the element layout to a table format. If anyone disapprove please feel free to revert :)
 * The element layout to a table format looks good. --Arrow = Talk = Sandbox 09:12, 1 February 2011 (PST)

Graph
I moved the attribution of the image to the image page. Blkbsstt 19:52, 27 January 2011 (PST)
 * Attribution generally goes at the bottom in the case with wiki pages. I'm not entirely sure of the syntax though.

Separate pages for different elements
Should there be separate pages for each element? That you could include strategy information for separate spells. Example, shields, and information on how to boost them and such.

Poison element ?
This element cannot be cast, but is referenced in several places (Scythe of Malevolence,Bug Staff). There are also Poison Elementals. So shouldn't it appear on this list ? Corpuscule 15:07, 26 February 2011 (PST)